Cofty said:
"What a horrible, dehumanising concept that all JWs and christians have in common.
To teach a child that they were born deserving of death is abuse."
You may like this video, especially from 8:00 where they mention your point..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYKZe_Svno&fulldescription=1&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en
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Navytown said:
"The whole concept of all humans being 'sinners deserving of death' and requiring a 'ransom sacrifice' to 'save' them makes absolutely no sense."
And here's one for you, I recommend watching it from 10:00 onwards..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-et3fiHZiiI&itct=CCMQpDAYCCITCJu3je3pk8ACFYhBywodRaIAWVIjYXRoZWlzdCBleHBlcmllbmNlIHJhbnNvbSBzYWNyaWZpY2U%3D&client=mv-google&hl=en&gl=US
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This week's Book study :the chicken or egg debate
by raymond frantz inthis week's book study has this to say on paragraph 11:.
11 all humans are by inheritance sinful and thus deserving of sins penaltydeath.
(romans 5:12) but jehovah finds no pleasure in the death of sinners.
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I Don't Think The Witnesses Really Care If You Can Explain Doctrine As Long As You Accept Them!
by minimus ingone are the days of getting into discussions about their beliefs.
doing major research to prove a position or watchtower doctrine is a thing of the past.
all they want from you is to surrender and accept everything they say as undeniable truth.. do you agree?.
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You're kidding, aren't you? They have a history of not even caring if you AGREE with the doctrine once you understand it...
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/530/1/Douglas-Walsh-Trial-Testimony-Take-II#.U-0nNV2t-o8 -
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Demon attacks on JW in past, where'd they go?
by thedepressedsoul inin the 80's and 90's (maybe even earlier) i remember hearing lots of witnesses talk about "demon attacks".
whether it was someone studying the bible who then started having strange things happen in their house to people bringing stuff home from yard sales and getting personal attacks and horrible dreams resulting in them dystroying stuff they brought home or getting rid of it.. .
i also remember hearing a sister say she had to pray in a home with a study because the study started to get attacked.
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Great thread at the end of this post. Here are some Smurfy highlights: ;)
" When I was little, I heard a lot about the smurfs. One story was when a babysitter brought smurfs over for a little witness kid to play with and when the parents came home, the smurfs were dancing on the bed and there was a newspaper levitating. So scary!!! "
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" I remember a story running rampant when I was in my pre-teenage years that went a little something like this:
Word on the street was that a young child went to the circuit assembly with his parents. The child brought a little stuffed toy with him. However, this wasn't just any cute cuddly stuffed toy. This was one of those little blue demons that worldy people call Smurfs. Anyways, the stuffed little Smurf, got up in the middle of the assembly and walked out the door. Apparently the demon inside the stuffed toy could no longer take the "light" and "truth" inside the assembly hall and had to get out with the quickness. "
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"Hmmmm....the version I heard was that it took place at akingdom halland it was a teenage girl w/ a smurf in her purse. The smurf walked out of the purse during the opening song, and went down the aisle and out the door, yelling the whole time, ''I can't take this $hit!''
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"Anyway, the homeowner (a Christian we found out later) asked us what was so funny so we told her the whole story of having been witnesses and being scared of smurfs.
She told us that she new a Mormon girl and that too were afraid of smurfs."
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/123185/1/SCARY-actually-hilarious-JW-Urban-Legends-smurf-content#.U-0k3V2t-o8 -
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Demon attacks on JW in past, where'd they go?
by thedepressedsoul inin the 80's and 90's (maybe even earlier) i remember hearing lots of witnesses talk about "demon attacks".
whether it was someone studying the bible who then started having strange things happen in their house to people bringing stuff home from yard sales and getting personal attacks and horrible dreams resulting in them dystroying stuff they brought home or getting rid of it.. .
i also remember hearing a sister say she had to pray in a home with a study because the study started to get attacked.
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From what I've heard, the demons have been too busy with politics this past year or so, they've not had time to be playing with smurf toys..
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allabord4jah
16 Jun 2013
"You brothres are probably right. We are so close to the end of Satan's rule, that the demons are out there expressing themselves through his political whores. Britain sides with the U.S. Then Russia sides with Iran, North Korea, China and etc. They are all his dupes,! I see that the "pushing" is getting more and more aggressive. Did you all read about Iran, the people and the demons all voted for a more tolerant cleric towards the West."
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Has DocHouse LEFT.....?
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JW.ORG logo on EVERYTHING
by dynamiterose77 infine line between idolotry and branding... just sayin.... .
i'm just seeing a lot of home-made or print on demand site items with jw.org logos pasted all over.
as an art director, i laugh, because it's hideous.
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Dynamiterose, even some jw's would agree--
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/282154/3/JW-Org-Blitz#.U-xt_l2t-o8 -
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Is God evil, just because he fails to prevent suffering?
by defender of truth ina poster on another thread made the following comment, that really made me think.. it is about god: .
"imo i would say [god is] not evil but just indifferent.
apathy allows it.
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Bruh2012 said:
"YHWH is not evil. He...may have created Satan to do evil under his control- but I can't confirm that."
Isn't that like saying:
'Such-and-such a mafia boss was not evil, but he gave permission to those who worked for him to do evil things'?
How would that argument hold up in a court of law?
Please watch this video discussing the account of Job..
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vYzsE1UByFY&fulldescription=1&hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=US
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Then take a look at these videos for more on the God/mafia boss analogy. You may find it interesting. Please let us know what you thought, seeing as I've taken the time to look for these for you.
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(part 1)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Puyykf3FwmU&fulldescription=1&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYKZe_Svno&fulldescription=1&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en -
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Is God evil, just because he fails to prevent suffering?
by defender of truth ina poster on another thread made the following comment, that really made me think.. it is about god: .
"imo i would say [god is] not evil but just indifferent.
apathy allows it.
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EVIL
"1a: morally reprehensible"
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Is God evil, just because he fails to prevent suffering?
by defender of truth ina poster on another thread made the following comment, that really made me think.. it is about god: .
"imo i would say [god is] not evil but just indifferent.
apathy allows it.
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KateWild said, from the OP: "For me evilness is more classified with intentional acts to harm deliberately out of vengence, anger, malice and even pleasure. To me that is what evil stands for. Indifference is something comepletely different in my view."
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/archive/news/passers-by-ignored-dying-child-who-was-run-over-twice-in-street-in-china/story-e6frf7lf-1226169281030?nk=fb85863a4d365a1d96ef8e9972ac4117
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9lKUwBCIBzA
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God is love, but if you dont love him back he will slaughter you!
by BU2B inthis was one of the things that first got me thinking.
i noticed how in books like "draw close to jehovah" they paint god as a loving, warm, just god who does not desire any to die.
i could not love him at all, let alone with my whole heart.
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Cofty--
"Similarly, Christians generally end up acknowledging that there is suffering, but rather than amending their speculative, unprovable view of God (i.e. that He’s omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent) they suggest that He must have a reason for allowing suffering, even if we can’t know it. To me, this looks uncannily like Stockholm Syndrome. However unpleasant or abusive God must be if their beliefs are correct, and however responsible He is for their current suffering, they still want to justify His actions and excuse His crimes. They believe He could stop all their suffering, they know He doesn’t, but nevertheless, He must be a nice guy and have His reasons.
Alternatively, why not try Battered person syndrome on for size, to explain why Christians continue to worship a God who, if He exists and has anything like the power they believe, looks very much like a serial abuser. Have a look at these common beliefs and attitudes:
*The abused believes that the violence was his or her fault.
*The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere.
*The abused fears for his/her life and/or the lives of his/her children (if present)."
http://recoveringagnostic.wordpress.com/2012/01/21/do-christians-suffer-from-stockholm-syndrome/